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this is need to know real talk about the\h
reality of unidentified aerial phenomenon\h\h

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from Australia Ross Colt\h
art from the U.S Bryce zabel

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hello and welcome to this special edition of\h
need to know we're literally doing this within\h\h

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24 hours of the release to Congress of the UAP\h
the unidentified anomalous phenomena report to\h\h

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Congress which was tabled in the Congress finally\h
I think either on the evening of Friday the\h\h

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12th or the morning of Friday the 13th I can't\h
figure it out where I am in Australia but it's\h\h

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an auspicious moment because this is the the one\h
of the very first reports from the UAP task forces\h\h

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known as Arrow aaro the all domain anomalous oh\h
Christ Bryce help me here I've forgotten I keep on\h\h

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forgetting what is it is the all domain anomalous\h
resolution anomaly resolution office all domain\h\h

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anomaly resolution such a simple acronym it's\h
fantastic I just wanted Point as you were saying\h\h

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that though let's let's be clear this thing was\h
mandated by law to be delivered on October 31st\h\h

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and so we thought when it was late well it'll be\h
a few days they'll come up with it it actually\h\h

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took them 73 days um to come up with this and\h
by the way what a difference a week makes Ross\h\h

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we were on here last week apologizing that we've\h
been off for too long because we were on holiday\h\h

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and and since we've been back now we're we're\h
on within less than a week but this thing man uh\h\h

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okay I wanted more I didn't get what I wanted\h
exactly but as we break this down I think there\h\h

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are some things that are probably worth mentioning\h
from it now listen I thought quite an auspicious\h\h

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time to start way to start this would be to\h
talk about the fact that it's Friday the 13th in\h\h

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America isn't it yes wow do you know the origins\h
of Friday the 13th I I don't but be and you're\h\h

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going to tell us but one quick question do they\h
have it do you guys in Australia have a Friday the\h\h

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13th kind of yeah we do yeah it's recognized all\h
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Friday the 13th being a day of bad luck is because\h
on this day in 1307 Pope Clement and King Philip\h\h

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had the leader of the Knights Templar arrested\h
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and as he was dying the lead Knight cursed them\h
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hence the origins of Friday the 13th being a day\h
of bad luck and it reminded me it's a good way of\h\h

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kicking off this episode it reminded me of the\h
notorious debunker the skeptic Philip class you\h\h

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know his UFO curse this is what he said after his\h
death he cursed ufologists and he said no matter\h\h

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how long you live you will never know any more\h
about UFOs than you know today you will never\h\h

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know any more about what UFOs really are or where\h
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what the US government really knows about UFOs\h
than you know today as you lie on your own death\h\h

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bid you will be as mystified about UFOs as you\h
are today and you will remember this curse said\h\h

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the world class that is a great rendition of what\h
Philip Glass said I didn't like it when he said it\h\h

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I don't like to hear it anymore uh now because the\h
truth of the matter is there are a lot of people\h\h

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that know a lot about this topic now uh they just\h
haven't shared their work over the years and I\h\h

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think that part of the concern here was were\h
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to peel back the onion a little bit and lets the\h
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through for the past 80 years I don't think this\h
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do the hits runs and errors for a moment um it\h
is a I forget how many pages I guess with the 11\h\h

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pages with the appendix but there apparently have\h
been 366 new cases since that preliminary report\h\h

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that had come out uh in in June of 2021 of those\h
366 as they break it down 26 were what they would\h\h

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call drones 100 163 were balloons or balloon-like\h
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birds or weather or debris and you know what\h
that sounds a little depressing 47 percent\h\h

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47 percent of the new cases were the so-called un\h\h

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characterized and unaffiliated cases which\h
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half the cases that are breaking that they're\h
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all of these things that we have to go look for\h
these things 47 percent of them half of them are\h\h

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unidentified so that is significant and I think\h
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the nitty-gritty of this report is the mere fact\h
that the Congress is receiving reports on uaps\h\h

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unidentified and anomalous phenomena the mere fact\h
that this is a public document that there are now\h\h

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reports on CNN the New York Times Politico CBS IBC\h
and BC the fact that this is being engaged with by\h\h

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mainstream media and even being talked about is a\h
light year Paradigm leap it's very very important\h\h

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and I I know I'm guilty of it myself the one\h
thing that we often feel is a sense of despondency\h\h

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knowing what we believe we know about what's\h
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sense of despondency often hits a lot of us that\h
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it's all going to be put back in the Box uh\h
whatever disclosure will happen is going to\h\h

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be underwhelming but really this is significant\h
we should stop and take stock of the faculture\h\h

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that that the mere fact that there is a public\h
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investigating this issue tabulating Europe\h
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the issue seriously this is a big moment that this\h
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a report frankly I think it was written it was\h
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Congress report it was I I literally think whoever\h
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sitting in the loo in Congress before he bolted\h
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really is it could have been written on the on the\h
world lie sitting on the steps of the Congress uh\h\h

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before you bolted in well the office as you've\h
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not been well staffed and is Staffing up even\h
as we speak you know the other thing is I agree\h\h

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with you there's some media things we should talk\h
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explaining what the report is or says or whatever\h
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okay yeah I guess uh there are there's an argument\h
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the truth is it is a little bit like uh paint\h
drying it is not exciting given what the topic\h\h

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is it ought to be a lot more exciting I found a\h
couple of uh things as I read it the the first\h\h

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thing was that by reducing it only to the numbers\h
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of uh language in in terms of their descriptions\h
it does make it a lot more boring read you have to\h\h

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really go in and pull out things to get excited\h
about one of the things I thought for future\h\h

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reports or maybe they didn't do it for a reason\h
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that are unidentified have occurred since the last\h
report can't we get a little taste of what some of\h\h

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those were why not tell us some of the examples\h
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a lot of friends who if I start talking about a\h
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and and if I give them some numbers then that's\h
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if you start telling people the actual cases they\h
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I agree I mean there's no explanation here of the\h
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with these 171 unexplained sightings quote some of\h
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characteristics or performance capabilities it's\h
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I'm sure there's a methodology or at least I\h
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force is using there's some good people on that\h
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who are genuinely trying to get to the answers\h
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me is that 163 of the investigated sightings\h
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I mean what does it belong empathy okay first of\h
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years going back uh really to the the Roswell case\h
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government said no it's a it's a weather balloon\h
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loaded words but another loaded word is entity\h
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balloon-like entities when I think of it yeah what\h
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and unless they explain unless they explain their\h
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a bit like saying oh it's a it's a something\h
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sort of thingy Bobby but that I've explained it\h
now so go away and leave me alone and let me get\h\h

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on with doing what I've been doing for the last\h
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really think we have to call it I mean I'm not\h
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run the aaro because I'm I'm hearing good things\h
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people who are doing good work but you can't\h
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PR machine that wants to dampen this down and\h
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um Deputy assistant um secretary of defense for\h
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about the report he said the government has again\h
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transform an inherently fascinating topic into\h
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make the reporters Anodyne unremarkable and boring\h
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say this partly in jest but in truth it appears\h
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data for example there's an incredibly stark\h
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capabilities reported by Navy Pilots for example\h
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lovely language flaccid UAP report language which\h
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UAP appear to have demonstrated unusual flight\h
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require further analysis pretty boring stuff it's\h
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book or something nicely done listen I talked to\h
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know that is pretty much his point of view however\h
I I also sense that he reads the thing as some of\h\h

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some a lot of people do and say there's some\h
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what you had talked about earlier where you said\h
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doing this when you get to the summary of this\h
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the summary actually bolds three different things\h
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the change that you were talking about the first\h
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safety and pose a possible adversary collection\h
threat well that's that's pretty stunning for the\h\h

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government to say okay we they're still not\h
saying what it is but they're saying it's a\h\h

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hazard of flight safety that's interesting then\h
the second was Arrow has been established as\h\h

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the dod focal point for UAP now we are getting to\h
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three things people could go what is that arrow\h
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at this point is sort of the uh Wellhead if you\h
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or at least they say DOD of course Department\h
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phenomena now they're calling it unidentified\h
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number three coordinated efforts between the\h
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other government agencies to collect and Report\h
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spanning multiple security domains so let me break\h
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things could potentially be scary and dangerous\h
one two um we've got a place where we're trying\h\h

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to get everybody to talk to at the same time so\h
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coordinating efforts uh between all these people\h
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more data in so that can we get more conclusions\h
out if all of that is true you know that's nice I\h\h

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don't know that it's an update because we've sort\h
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the worst news in the world it's it's good to see\h
the government instead of saying nothing to see\h\h

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here which they've done for since like 1969. it's\h
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something to see there and it's a threat and\h
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security threaten there's a couple of things that\h
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to add the weights of Granny New York Times to\h
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the New York Times and indeed this report make\h
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explained sightings by after investigation have\h
come out to be Chinese drones now that's really\h\h

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interesting and I'm waiting to see what our\h
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up with in response to that because whatever the\h
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of the objects that were seen by the U.S Navy\h
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2018-2019 period that Jeremy featured in some\h
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objects you can see them in the photographs but\h
there are clear bits of evidence that um have come\h\h

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up not just from Jeremy but from other sources\h
in those sightings which suggests that whatever\h\h

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these drones were or are they're doing things that\h
just aren't normal drones they're they're moving\h\h

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doing Maneuvers that are quite extraordinary\h
they're operating far out in the ocean with\h\h

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no apparent base from whence they come whatever\h
the hell this is the implications of this report\h\h

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in terms of just simple analog human technology\h
are awesome because it does mean that what this\h\h

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uaap report has exposed is that the Pentagon is\h
leading us to the line that there is some kind\h\h

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of unknown Chinese technology which is capable of\h
buzzing U.S Navy vessels with impunity and that in\h\h

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and of itself is an enormous national security\h
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this UAP report investigation and so in that alone\h
Arrow has proved its worth and and this is where\h\h

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even though we gave them an F last week I give\h
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editorable in in terms of alerting the Pentagon\h
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under the radar I'm going to so stipulate\h
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why I'm I'm angry I'm angry about the context we\h
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uh they're an adversary uh they're messing around\h
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that we know that but that doesn't explain the\h
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drones in 1947 and in the 1950s and if there were\h
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improbable and impossible Maneuvers out there\h
so again with the report has as its essential\h\h

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flaw that hopefully will be fixed going forward\h
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drones explain the thousands and thousands of\h
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about all those cases what about them so I will\h
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day here's here's the lighter moment uh our you\h
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friend of ours Gary Nolan and I I thought I saw\h
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the same time incredibly insightful his tweet was\h
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artificial intelligence an AI that can write\h
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write a 2022 UAP Report with as few specifics\h
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a paragraph as an obtuse reference deep in the\h
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major players in the last day or so Mike Gallagher\h
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who put the UAP Clauses the the new Clauses into\h
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UAP report reinforces what we already know that\h
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are observing in our airspace The Whistleblower\h
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that have been put into the defense authorization\h
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forward to solving this decades-long mystery and\h
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scientific resources to do so now that that's\h
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into the UAP issue that really matters I also want\h
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Senate intelligence chair he's also said today's\h
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and addressing risks to aviators overall I'm\h
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a sign of decreased stigma among pilots who are\h
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empower the all domain anomaly resolution\h
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as we work to focus resources on UAP reports\h
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let's say that last month an Air Force pilot or\h
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up close encounter with some kind of anomalous\h
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drone it was huge it was uh doing incredible\h
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or she got images of it that were crystal clear\h
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saw somebody inside this craft an occupant\h
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would it be in this report no\h
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really good cases uh do we have to do all of this\h
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with all its sensors and data to to help us out\h
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brush I actually think what you're raising here\h
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is utterly naive the idea that the intelligence\h
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to happen and more importantly even the National\h
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requirements for uaps that have now been passed\h
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Congress be informed about secret programs that\h
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technology UAP crashes which in and of itself is\h
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the I pull out the Congressional Record and look\h
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passed by the U.S Congress referring to recovered\h
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to uaps you have the the U.S Congress making\h
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suspicion that somewhere inside the intelligence\h
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intelligence officials sitting down in a church\h
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thereof because let me just let me just throw one\h
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on what you just said what we are really seeing\h
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is the potential solution is uh if I can borrow\h
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that we're living through a slow dissolve uh and\h
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hard cut right I know I would I would like it\h
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confirming this stuff is real we're not going to\h
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crazy if you know about it but we're not getting\h
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there are a lot of different things that work\h
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been talking about that was due on October 31st\h
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all that impressive it's not telling us a lot\h
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last month and was signed by the president and\h
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for whistleblowers Etc and we had quoted um excuse\h
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about the ndaa as opposed to the report he said\h
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some answers to questions that have been burning\h
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years if nothing else this should either clear up\h
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Force and Department of Defense for decades or\h
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be truly incredible his words not mine and he ends\h
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then I I made that journalist's mistake of not\h
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stuff that they're a little bit sensitive about so\h
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and this is what he said having participated in\h
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Security benefiting indeed I've spoken to several\h
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of alien technology in its possession and he\h
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2022 specifically denied categorically that the\h
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technology so we now have a dichotomy you have\h
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to go back to that report for a moment we started\h
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dog what what do you call it dog food yeah a dog\h
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swearing and I've we've been spanked a few times\h
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to this topic and you're you're starting to go\h
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like um you know a review of a book is interesting\h
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to learn more so I just think all of us since\h
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all the work for us we've got to do it ourselves\h
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of these institutions and God bless the ndaa\h
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in data I hope people will now say okay let's\h
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let's bring our own game up because eventually uh\h
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cut it for the majority of people but instead\h
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a lot of the articles that got written about it\h
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lot of room for improvement it's not just in\h
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headline it's probably backwards on YouTube is\h
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the issues we're talking about Bryce and\h
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acknowledge what we all know which is that there\h
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in legislation in black and white the Congress\h
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defense and intelligence Community is hiding\h
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that Congress now wants answers that's why this\h
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they are going to have to fess up if they are\h
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of people who probably watch us think well these\h
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of the article itself they call people who are\h
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who are listening if you're listening right now\h
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UFO enthusiasts and in addition to that did aliens\h
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respond to what you just said then Bryce I mean\h
I I actually do agree with you and in fact I was\h\h

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going to make some of the points you've just made\h
myself what I want to add to what you've just said\h\h

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is that continuing the tradition of the apologia\h
for the Pentagon PR people Julian Barnes the New\h\h

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York Times National Security reporter on the 12th\h
of January on I think it was on the evening before\h\h

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this Remy tooman story ran he did his own report\h
uh curtain raising the coming UAP report and he he\h\h

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said things like the failure to categorize many\h
incidents has frustrated intelligence officials\h\h

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and fueled conspiracy theories but Pentagon\h
officials say the income complete findings\h\h

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are a result of inadequate sensor collection not\h
evidence of advanced technology or any sort of\h\h

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government cover-up he's doing his very best on\h
behalf of the Pentagon to dampen down speculation\h\h

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and I'm really sorry I I think we have to call\h
the New York Times ad on this the gray lady is\h\h

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being disingenuous he also said things like\h
with the release of any government report on\h\h

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UFOs officials hope the information will quill\h
speculation Around The Unexplained incidents\h\h

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but such hopes are inevitably dashed because\h
incidents that cannot be categorized fuel new\h\h

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rounds of speculation and conspiracy so the Deep\h
implication of course is that all of this UFO UAP\h\h

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nonsense is just that a baseless conspiracy\h
right who needs Pentagon PR when you've got\h\h

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Julian Barnes of the New York Times to do the lick\h
spittle work of the intelligence Community yeah I\h\h

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mean what he conceded was in the UAP report those\h
unexplained incidents here then goes on to Dan\h\h

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play them as wacky speculation essentially\h
by us tin foil hat Nutters he says a portion\h\h

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of those unexplained incidents that demonstrate\h
unusual flight characteristics but what they will\h\h

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get further study according to the report but the\h
report doesn't outline he says how many incidents\h\h

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fall under that category and a mission likely\h
to stoke further speculation by people who have\h\h

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embraced explanations such as other worldly\h
visitors or Advanced unknown technology by\h\h

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adversarial Powers the whole thing is a dead hand\h
and this is what the gray lady does all the time\h\h

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the New York Times you know it's allowed Leslie\h
Kane and Ralph Blumenthal because it was a very\h\h

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legitimate series of stories to report the fact\h
that the Pentagon was secretly investigating UFOs\h\h

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uaps but ever since then ever since 2017 under the\h
Dead Hand influence of the Pentagon the public has\h\h

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been told in the Remy tooman article and also in\h
the Julian Barnes article and also in the Holman\h\h

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Jenkins article in the Wall Street Journal\h
there's been this very clear directorial line\h\h

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where National Security correspondence for the two\h
major newspapers in Washington they made it's made\h\h

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very very clear to them I've been on the receiving\h
end of these client of briefings if you don't toe\h\h

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the line if you don't parrot what you're told by\h
your defense intelligence sources you don't get\h\h

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fed in the future so they're doing what they're\h
being told they're essentially participating in\h\h

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a dampening down of this idea preparing the\h
public for the idea that this is all just\h\h

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conspiracy nonsense don't you worry eventually\h
we're going to be able to prosaically explain\h\h

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all of these objects these people who are making\h
these wacky claims of other worldly visitors which\h\h

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were not by the way we're just saying it's a\h
mystery these people who are suggesting that\h\h

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there's a real mystery there tell them to go away\h
because ultimately it's just a wacky conspiracy\h\h

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trust us we're the military yeah well listen just\h
to follow up on that and and what I was saying the\h\h

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article I put my glasses on and it's Remy tooman\h
t-u-m-i-n who actually uh wrote this article and\h\h

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here's what's interesting about the article it's\h
it's a bifurcated article the first part of it is\h\h

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insulting as I already told you the fair you\h
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photo in those first two sentences or paragraphs\h
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and and kind of interesting stuff and it made me\h
wonder if this is an example of where uh possibly\h\h

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this uh author Remy tooman wrote a good article\h
and then the editors uh put their own spin on\h\h

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top of it that does happen and uh frankly I may\h
call her up and ask about that but I just want\h\h

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to say one thing to the New York Times editors\h
reporters everybody else at the New York Times\h\h

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the sometimes we've had as many as a million\h
people watching one of these things we have a\h\h

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lot of people that watch they leave comments\h
hundreds sometimes thousands of comments on\h\h

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these these uh need to know uh podcasts and\h
and videos that we've made those people and\h\h

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Ross and I are definitively not flying saucer\h
fans we are not conspiracy theorists we are not\h\h

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UFO enthusiasts what we are are UAP researchers\h
and investigators and there is a big difference\h\h

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and if you want your credibility to continue New\h
York Times you have to figure out how to get away\h\h

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from those stereotypes that used to exist and you\h
have to start treating the people who care about\h\h

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this issue with some more respect because if you\h
don't respect us we are not going to respect you\h\h

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I think you're right I think as we've observed\h
in previous podcast Bryce this is a lamentable\h\h

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failure by much of the mainstream media they've\h
allowed themselves to be led by the nose and\h\h

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the thing that I find fascinating and I really do\h
feel this very strongly is that citizen journalism\h\h

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citizen activism is going to be what eventually\h
reveals this issue I don't think we're going to\h\h

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get to hear a lot of what's revealed in camera in\h
confidence in Secure compartmentalized information\h\h

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facilities inside the Congress I don't think\h
those Skiffs are going to release the information\h\h

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willingly I think it will eventually leak I\h
think this stuff's going to start dribbling out\h\h

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you know I'm hearing stories that people have come\h
forward to congressional committees with amazing\h\h

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allegations claims that should now be properly\h
investigated by the aaro but it's incumbent on\h\h

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people watching this and listening this to\h
tell the Congressional Representatives but\h\h

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more importantly maybe the mainstream media\h
the Legacy Media that they need to wake up\h\h

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to the fact that they can belittle and Mock and\h
ridicule this subject matter as much as they like\h\h

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but we're not going away well that's a good\h
place for us to end Ross we're not going\h\h

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to go away we're going to keep doing this\h
as regularly as we can and we're going to\h\h

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hold people accountable when people do good\h
work we're going to praise it when they do\h\h